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Sunday, February 3, 2019

Australian Muslims Refuse to Disavow Violent Koran Verses After Judges Order

Australia: Muslims say call to disavow violent Qur’an verses is “inappropriate,” will “never, ever, ever” do it FEB 2, 2019 10:51 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER Australia: Muslims Say Call to Disavow Violent Qur’an Verses is “Inappropriate,” Will “Never, Ever, Ever” Do iI Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, the Grand Mufti of Australia, claims that “only two Koran verses talk about pre-emptive fighting.” Unfortunately, the reporter or reporters present apparently didn’t have the wit, interest, or journalistic standards to ask him which ones those were. There are many more verses than two that call upon Muslims to fight unbelievers, whether pre-emptively or not. Here are some of them. Note that 8:39 calls on Muslims to wage perpetual war against non-Muslims until they become Muslim or, as per 9:29, submit to Islamic hegemony. “And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Qur’an 2:191-193) “We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151) “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89) “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.” (Qur’an 5:33) “When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; so strike the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12) “Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.” (Qur’an 8:39) “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60) “Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5) “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29) “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111) “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.” (Qur’an 9:123) “So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of your deeds.” (Qur’an 47:35) “When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” (Qur’an 47:4) But not to worry. It’s all because non-Muslim English speakers take these verses out of context, doncha know. Silma Ihram, president of the Australian Muslim Women’s Association, “said that when the Koran is translated from Arabic to English, ‘meaning and context is lost.’” She says: “The English translation does not convey the depths of meaning that the Koran actually holds for those relevant verses. There are very few verses in the Koran that can be twisted for violent purposes, there are a lot more in other scriptures. That is why we are working as much as we can to educate Muslims on interpreting the Koran.” If there are “a lot more” verses in other scriptures “that can be twisted for violent purposes” than there are in the Qur’an, why have there been 34,516 violent jihad attacks worldwide since 9/11, each one committed by devout Muslims who often cited the Qur’an to explain and justify their actions, while there have been no terror attacks by Jews or Christians who cited the Bible to explain their actions? If Ihram had been asked that question, she would doubtless have answered that it was because of Israeli “occupation” and the depredations of American foreign policy. But The History of Jihad shows that Islamic jihad is a lot older than America and Israel, and is a constant of Islamic history, everywhere Muslims have gone. I’ve written all this over and over again, in response to the claims of so many deceivers. It is over 17 years since 9/11 now. Islamic jihad groups are active all over the world. Yet the West remains so resolutely blinkered, so unwilling to see that there even is a problem, that these deceivers keep deceiving again and again, and no one challenges them. Probably on the last day of its operation, as Australia is engulfed in civil war between non-Muslims who don’t wish to live under Sharia and Muslims who believe they have a responsibility before Allah to make sure that they do, SBS News will still be publishing stories about how the Qur’an is misunderstood on a massive scale, and Islam is really, deep down, a religion of peace.
“Islamic leaders reject judge’s call for Muslims to denounce verses of the Koran,” by Maani Truu, SBS News, February 1, 2019 (thanks to Phil): Australian Muslim leaders have rejected comments from a NSW Supreme Court justice, who said Muslim leaders should publicly denounce “belligerent” verses of the Koran, as “inappropriate”. Grand Mufti of Australia Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed said religious leaders would “never, ever, ever” disavow verses of the holy text while president of the Australian Muslim Women’s Association Silma Ihram said that it was not appropriate for a judge to delve into religious scripture interpretations. “All Muslim associations that are registered and well-known in Australia have condemned acts of violence and have condemned the use of terrorism,” she said. “So to hold us to account for the misinterpretation and misuse of our holy book is inappropriate.”
On Thursday, Justice Des Fagan said Muslims need to “make a clear public disavowal” of what he called “belligerent” verses of the Koran while sentencing two terror-plotters in the NSW Supreme Court. Speaking on SBS Arabic24, Dr Mohamed rebutted the comments and invited Justice Fagan to meet him over coffee. “You don’t ask to disavow medicine if some doctors exploited it, you don’t ask to disavow law if some lawyers misused it,” he said. “We have been talking about this for the last 15 years; we have disavowed any act that harms anyone.” He said only two Koran verses talk about pre-emptive fighting while Ms Ihram pointed out that when the Koran is translated from Arabic to English, meaning and context is lost. “The English translation does not convey the depths of meaning that the Koran actually holds for those relevant verses,” she said. “There are very few verses in the Koran that can be twisted for violent purposes, there are a lot more in other scriptures. “That is why we are working as much as we can to educate Muslims on interpreting the Koran.” Dr Rateb Jneid, Australian Federation of Islamic Councils president, said a judge shouldn’t be drawing conclusions on a holy text. “A judge’s role is to deal with the individual before the court and not the religion as a whole,” he said in a statement. “A judge in such circumstances is unlikely to have sufficient material before them to draw any conclusions about the religious position on such texts beyond what the individual in question may or may not believe.” Justice Fagan’s comments came during the sentencing of Sameh Bayda and Alo-Bridget Namoa, both 21, who were found guilty in October last year of conspiring to prepare for a terrorist act. “Terrorists’ reliance on verses of the Koran to support an Islamic duty of religious violence has been seen with more or less clarity in a number of NSW and Victorian cases,” he said. “If the verses upon which the terrorists rely are not binding commands of Allah, it is Muslims who would have to say so. “If Australian followers of the religion, including those who profess deep knowledge, were to make a clear public disavowal of these verses, as not authoritative instructions from Allah, then the terrorists’ moral conviction might be weakened.” The couple, described by Namoa as a “jihadi Bonnie and Clyde”, were involved in planning a violent street robbery between December 2015 and January 2016. Both are now eligible to apply for parole due to time already served since their arrest. Justice Fagan pointed to sermons on the pair’s phones quoting Koran verses which “unmistakably instruct the believers to undertake jihad in pursuit of universal Islamic dominance” as an example of verses that should be denounced. “As seen in this and numerous other prosecutions, the hostile verses [in the Koran] are inspiring serious crimes,” he said. It’s not the first time that Muslim community leaders have been called on to do more to stop radicalism in their communities. In November last year, following a terror attack in Melbourne CBD that left one man dead, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said there was a “special responsibility on religious leaders to protect their religious communities and to ensure that these dangerous teachings and ideologies do not take root here.” “They must be proactive, they must be alert and they must call this out, in their communities and more broadly, for what it is,” he said. The comments were met with backlash, as some Muslim leaders claimed that the statements “alienated” members of their community and the Australian National Imams Council accused the Prime Minister of politicising the Bourke Street attack. “It is extremely disappointing in such difficult times and during a national tragedy, when all Australians of all faiths and backgrounds should be called upon to unite and stand together against any form of extremism and violence, to see our nation’s leader politicising this incident and using it for political gain,” the council said in a statement.

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